Not sure I follow the logic here.

Nathan2940 it is about perception and the great divide along party lines. The perception is that nothing will get done to prevent the country from going over the "fiscal cliff".
Outdside of President Obama how many other politicians that won last night said they are going to work with members on the other side of the aisle. Not too many and that is why things are looking like it will be more of the same old partisan gridlock going forward. The Eugene

We just have to hold on until Rubio.

then shut down the ”party...

...don't want us in the room?? ,then shut it down...

 

......should be interesting to see what they do...start going after more of the "better blacks"...or continue to lose elections...the love for power tells me I should expect to see a few R's recruiting in my hood real soon...

The law of supply and demand begs to differ.  When a commodity is in limited supply, the price goes up.  Basic economics.  The price drop started before Sandy was more than a twinkle in Ma Nature's eyes.  Our demand for gas has been falling for some time now, but prices have been artifically inflated.  Because the oil companies have people believing that gas is running short.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  But, the fact that other countries are making greater demands on the world oil supply is irrefutable.  Yet, just two weeks before a critical election, prices suddenly begin a free fall with no apparent reason?   bluengold57 

Yes, it's pretty obvious.  But not to the blind.

We just have to hold on until Rubio....

Backward thinking clowns , I tell ya...perhaps it would be better to EMBRACE black and brown people in general, rather than just grabbing the most attractive hispanic of the day, and calling it CHANGE....just lazy and ignorant...

 

You are obviously looking for a fight.

Actually I'm not. I just think it's very short-sighted of you to think that Sandy played no part in the drop of gas prices, but some secret cabal is.

We just have to hold on until Rubio....

Backward thinking clowns , I tell ya...perhaps it would be better to EMBRACE black and brown people in general, rather than just grabbing the most attractive hispanic of the day, and calling it CHANGE....just lazy and ignorant...

I EMBRACE black  and brown people 

Try again.

1.  Do you not feel there will be wealth redistribution under Obama?  If you do why would you support that?

wild, why does the right have to exaggerate all the time?  Nobody is going to socialism.  What is important is to go back to a time when we had a stronger middle class and when all profits did not just go to the top 2%.

2.  Do you fee he is strong enough to make sure that Iran does not obtain nuclear weapons?

What do you want Obama to do?  Go to war with Iran?  We are party of a community of nations.  If Russia and China do not cooperate, Iran gets the bomb.  Israel can sabotage but they really can't stop it from happening.  All countries have to stop it and the sanctions have become a real hardship on Iran's economy.  If we can convince them that they can have nuclear power for an energy source, we may stop them from needing the bomb.  Everything has to be a united effort.  The U S should never again start actions based on "the coalition of the willing".

3.  What about the last 4 years has given you confidence that he can turn the economy around and control the debt?

Obama has started the ground work for a better economy despite Republican obstructionism.  Economist said that we will create 12 million jobs no matter who won.  We can do it faster with Republican cooperation but we can still do without them as their party dwindles to a third party status.  We will become more energy efficient and more energy independent.  We will build a stronger middle class that will bring in more revenue.  Anybody who said that they can reduce the debt was lying.  Bringing the budget into balance within 10 years is the best that we can expect.  No matter who won, we are going to see at least a $20 trillion debt.  Let's create a GDP that grows faster than that debt.  If we do get the deficit to zero, then we can talk about reducing the debt.

We just have to hold on until Rubio....

WE is plural...meaning more than you , perhaps you are referring to you and your multis...speak for yourself....the Republican party hasn't come close to embracing anything but status quo...try again...

Do you not feel there will be wealth redistribution under Obama?...

when Clinton raised rates, and Bush lowered rates, was that not re-distribution???

no not the most important thing...the most important thing was making him a 1 termer, remember??...

What?  What does this have to do with anything?  I was talking about what YOU SAID.  Not some rush limbaugh verbal attack.  Where did that even come from?

give them credit, they pledged and held to that for 4 years...thats a fact we both know...

Give who credit?  What are we talking about here? I dont even know where you are going with this? 

That Republicans wanted a dem to not get reelected?

Gosh thats a surprise. 

but why should Obama spend 4 years cleaning up the mess of Bush, just to hand it back to Romney and his Bush advisers last nite...

By Bush advisors you mean like how he kept the entire war dept in tact and just followed the plan already laid out?

Or do we mean by recycling the same carousel of clowns bewtween the fed, the sec of treasury, and goldman sacs?

Ya know....the group of people that caused it? 

as I said he righted the ship

If my car blows a motor, and my roof needs to be replaced.  If I went out and threw 40K on credit cards at 22% interest, would you give me a pat on the back for fixing all my problems?  Good job twisted, thats the way to handle bidness.  Right? 

I've been sticking around waiting for you to win on one issue today...just one...I'm starting to doubt you have it in you...

Lets play a game called I WIN!!! 
Whys it called that?

Cuz I WIN!!!

Catastrophe for Conservatives, But Not the End

The reelection of President Obama is a catastrophe for conservatives that will set the United States on a track from which it will be difficult to derail. But the task for the Right is not impossible.

Obama’s victory is not a catastrophe, as some will maintain, because conservatism can’t prevail in an presidential election. The Republican candidate, Mitt Romney, is not a conservative, and he failed to assertively articulate conservative ideas.

Rather, it’s a catastrophe because Obama’s left wing agenda will now be ensconced more firmly than ever, and some portions of it may never be dislodged.

Republicans lost the presidency, failed by a mile to retake the Senate, but retained the House. So conservatives will have to fight a rear guard action to resist further movement to the left, an engagement in which they can be partially, but not fully, successful.

Obamacare is now here to stay. The United States will move inexorably toward socialized medicine, and the quality of health care for all will begin to decline irrevocably.

Federal spending, which stands at its highest level since World War II, will stay right where it is and perhaps increase. Dependency on government will become better established as a way of life. Government will intrude in ever more creative and pernicious ways into the daily lives of Americans, as Obama rules by fiat to the greatest extent possible and issues regulations affecting myriad aspects of our lives.

As more people become acclimated to receiving government largesse, fewer will be open to conservative ideas about self-reliance. Businesses will find it more difficult than ever to operate as the burdens of rules and paperwork weigh them down.

Some within Republican circles will argue, in effect, “If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.” That Republicans must moderate their message to appease a public that has rejected conservative ideas.

But Republicans just did moderate their message. They ran Mitt Romney as their candidate.

Conservatives will have to think not how to water things down, but how to sell their program to people who have failed to embrace it. They need to bring Hispanics, Asians, and African Americans into their tent. Not by making their philosophy more appealing to them, but by appealing their philosophy to them.

Republicans have to be unafraid to explain the tough choices facing America, the sometimes hard solutions conservatism offers, and the brighter future these solutions will bring.

America will become a more dependent country under Obama. But the evidence of decay will mount. And the demand for sweeping change will return.

And then, with patient confidence that Americans – all Americans – have the strength and intelligence to embrace messages that aren’t popular with the media or cool with Bruce Springsteen, conservatives must make their case.

Americans respect leaders who have principles and stick to them.

Republican candidates at the presidential level who followed Ronald Reagan have never really understood the value of standing for something. And they’ve never respected voters enough to present the conservative case. They think voters just want to hear the sappy news that government will take care of them. Republicans have to take the time and have the patience to explain why this doesn’t quite work.

The American spirit of initiative, self reliance and private charity will be depleted over the next four years. But it won’t be gone. And that’s why Obama’s reelection is a catastrophe, but not the end, for conservatives.

 
Veteran White House reporter Keith Koffler 

Backward thinking clowns , I tell ya...perhaps it would be better to EMBRACE black and brown people in general, rather than just grabbing the most attractive hispanic of the day, and calling it CHANGE....just lazy and ignorant...

Being half mexican.  I find this racist. 

 We will become more energy efficient and more energy independent.

Solindra, and the other 10+ alternative energy companies that the government invested in, by the way, all went belly up.  Good start.   
 

Bringing the budget into balance within 10 years is the best that we can expect.

A budget?  What a novel idea.  Havn't seen a budget for three years.  When is the first one due? 

No matter who won, we are going to see at least a $20 trillion debt.

 
Obamacare is a non budgeted $1.2 Trillion per year...who will finance that loan?  China?

Thinking of moving to CO or WA.  If "O" is our boat captain for the next 4 years, might as well get on the dole, and be stoned.     

Twisted gave it the ole college try....DISMISSED...

 

Gas  did his usual spinmeister routine....ducked the tuff ???'s...perhaps he'll return...

 

Who's up next...clown chief??? ..what you got?? ...any new browsers??

Twisted gave it the ole college try....DISMISSED...

Yeah damn, dont I feel foolish. 

Hard to refute hard core math like, ya'll be RACIST! 

Being half mexican.  I find this racist. ..

explain yourself...

I truly believe Obamacare is going to become a behemoth drain on the economy

wild, I truly believe that, when Obamacare is fully implemented, that healthcare cost will stop draining so much from our economy.  You should hope that I am right.

I do not see anyway to become energy independent without opening the country up and taking advantage of the tradional energy sources such as oil and coal while alternate sources are developed.

No matter how much you think that we can get from oil and coal, that will not make us energy independent unless we want to go back to the pollution we use to have and what China is experiencing right now.  More resources should go into energy efficiency but nobody has yet called for the elimination of oil and coal.  We have called for a safer environment with oil and coal.

I believe in many ways that Obama has socialist ideals and if left unchecked over time his policies will turn us to a path of becoming like much of Europe

wild, you need to learn the difference between social program and socialism.  I do not want socialism but I do want a bigger safety net.  Capitalism is good but it has to have oversight.  We will never become a socialist country.

Lest we not forget another important factor...

The next four years, just as in the previous four, a Chicago White Sox fan is leader of the free world.
There's something cool about that as a fellow Wsox fan. 

you failed to answer the question...you're a smart guy, which is why I enjoy debating with you...but you're ducking the tuff ???

We are divided because of a whole slew of stuff.  Ideology, belief, race, religion, you name it.  And as I have said more than a few times, for a lot of this stuff, there is no middle, hence the division.

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