Posted on: November 30, 2008 6:09 pm

Rex/Kyle Orton Selective History.

 I would like to revisit the selective Rex Grossman History- 

I love how NOW everyone likes to point out that Rex got injured in his rookie year...while true, he broke his finger in the LAST game of his rookie season There was 2 quarters left in the season... Yes with Jauron, Shoop was his OC in that rookie season- does that help or hurt Rex? just saying Rookie year- injured, 2nd year- injured, 3rd year- injured. when people see that it's just not all the info... and frustrates me, you could do that for a lot of qbs- but for some reason it has a negative conotation to it when it comes to Rex- that's just me...

Lovie came in and made Rex the starter, no competition

2004- ok this is the selective memory part that I don't like- (many do the same thing with hindsight) First of all, Rex DID show enough in those three games as a rookie to get the job as a first round pick- NO team is going to draft or bring in a "starting" qb to compete with a 1st round pick in their second year... ALSO Lovie hired a NO NAME OC in Terry Shea, Shea also brought with him Johnathan Quinn- and drafted Creig Krenzel in the 5th round (he just won the National Champ with OSU) and after Rex went down they brought in Chad Hutchinson who was a MLB player turned NFL qb with one year experience- WHO do you suggest would be competion with Rex? THE team was 5-11 that year, with Rex starting 3 games, Quinn starting 3, Krenzel starting 5 and Hutchinson starting 5- ALSO They juggled Quinn and Krenzel for a few games benching each for the other at halftime of at least 2 games- it was just pittiful... < goes to the state of QB in Chicago...

2005-  They fired Shea, and brought in Turner- Still had Quinn on roster to start the season Quinn was terrible in relief of Rex in that game he got hurt, and was launched after that game- Chad Hutchinson was given the next chance to be the starter after Rex went down in ... He didn't do well, was cut before the season started- Then Went to Rookie 4th round pick Orton. They Also brought in Jeff Blake and Jeff George late in the season. Fans were calling for either of these guys even when the Bears were winning 8 in a row- (rex wasn't healthy yet) Orton averaged 126 yards a game for the season- IN the 8 game win streak it was 119 yards a game... that is the definition of D winning the game. THAT is also why they went back to Rex in the Atalanta game. Kyle Orton had game passing yard totals of: 90, 97, 67, 49, and 12 yards (one half) in that season- That is why they went to Rex...not because Rex was SO good, but more so because KYLE wasn't. (and I know he was a rookie, I didn't expect him to be that great) The myth of Kyle being Really Good in that season just isn't true... This is ALSO why:

2006- They brought in Brian Griese. And moved Kyle Orton to 3rd string- because of the above... Rex started and played the whole season, taking the team to the superbowl.

I will agree with you that the NFL did "figure out" how to stop Rex Grossman...but HE DID make adjustments- I can argue that After the Arizona game in 06 the Book Was Out on Rex... did he still have GOOD games after that? YES... And that is also part of the mythical history that many point to on here... many just chalk that game up as his career was over and was NEVER good again..when in reality- he did this:

9-4 record 2,334 yards...and that includes all three playoff games. He still had games with good QB ratings and yards... His average was still 183 yards a game- (still more then Orton after they "figured him out") Granted he averaged 227 in the first 6 games. We still have to understand that this was Rex's first full season, you should expext some mistakes as a player with 6 career starts to start the season.

I just don't like the mythical history and people just automaticly saying he SUCKS and will NEVER be good/ a starter in this league again... and this idea that he was "given" the starting job and has Had "TOO MANY Chances" isn't accurate. That bothers me. I hope the Bears win tonight, but what would that really mean? Go Bears...*sigh*   

Posted on: November 15, 2008 2:42 pm

Dimmn 19's Blog- This is why I started it!

I started this blog...because there are a lot of things that I believe that has happened to Rex Grossman that I can't really share on the main board. I can't share them because I am now thought of as an unreasonable Rex lover... and Nobody will take it that as it is, I think Many things I believe are true.

Here are a few.

Rex is not anymore of a fumbler then Kyle Orton- REX= 19 Orton=18 ...what does that tell you? NOTHING- people will always think of Rex as a fumble prone qb. When in fact it's just the same as Orton....Now the difference is that Rex fumbled in HIGH PROFILE games- The Monday Night Arizona game and The Superbowl- thus he's a fumbling bum. It's just not fair,

Orton is now a god of qb might! While he has played well- He has...I COMPLETELY believe that Orton's 4-3 record as a starter this season is looked at MUCH more Favorably- BECAUSE of Rex. Rex didn't play well against the Cowboys last season- That's about it...that's the game that got him benched and that the last game people remember. Keep in mind that REX played well in 2007... you take away the Cowboys game and he wasn't as bad as people think- AND he WON the Oakland game- after Brian Griese completely SUCKED and was BENCHED! He wasn't hurt that much and was THE REAL REASON the Bears lost as much as they did... ALSO keep in mind that Rex would have continued to play if not for the knee sprain that knocked him out of that last game- Orton didn't do anything special in the last 3 games of 07...the D came back from injury and was motivated- PLUS Brett Favre gave up in the Green Bay game in the wind... (GB didn't need that game) AND Orton still LOOKED like the Orton of 2005...That is a joke to me that he "proved" anything in that game. AND he still only won 2 freaking games.

Lovie Smith- is now a Dbag to the greatest degree when it comes to Rex Grossman- He COMPLETELY has fear for his job and made the QB decision based on Fan Reaction, The Family Night practice that the Bears had in Training Camp when they BOOED Rex for no reason...sealed Rex's fate and NOTHING he did on the field was going to Change Lovie's mind... Joke IMO. This whole Orton Injury is a prime example of that- In the past Lovie believed that "Rex gives us the best chance to win" - That was when the SAME two QB's were on the TEAM! NOT To mention that BRIAN GRIESE was AHEAD of ORTON!!! he was an Afterthouht! The Fans chose the starting QB- Because they wanted ANYONE but REX! and Lovie played RIGHT INTO IT! Of course when Orton came out and DID the smart thing for him- HE played Careful football- He didn't hold the ball very long and ALWAYS checked it down- HE knew that if he tried to force a pass he would wind up JUST like Grossman...And that chicken sh!t kind of play gave the fans what they wanted- NOT REX! Back to the Orton injury- NOW all of a sudden...Orton is a god and Rex gets NO support from his coach- Lovie could be saying things like- "we have two starters" but NO he throws Rex under the bus and proclaims Orton ready to go, and "the best players will play crap" - REX IS THE BEST PLAYER!

NO player can perform when NOBODY gives that a chance to succeed! It's crazy to me how much crap that Rex get's in this town- and now it a prime motivator for me to defend him even more. The Head Coach, the Media, the Fans..ALL Crap on Rex. AAAHHHHHH

I can Promise ANYONE that Orton will become the Same Goat that all the fans love now...He will be booed soon and Lovie will be fired in the next 2 seasons... It's the Exact same as in 2005...ORTON was the one booed off the field in favor of Rex...This next time it will be in favor of Caleb Hanie or someone else... The only difference is that the Bears will Pay Orton some stupid amount of money for some precieved Greatness. HE HAS LEAD THEM TO A 4-3 RECORD!!!!!!! people He's NOT a bad QB, But he's not worth the Romo money! I CAN gaurentee that he will not be the Bears starter in 4 years... The fans won't let that to happen.

I have much more ammo for this...more to come.

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Posted on: November 11, 2008 11:02 pm

Rex Grossman- The Myth issue!

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Myth ONE: REX was handed the keys without a fair compitition..."HE DIDN'T EARN IT" -

That is the case for EVERY 1st round QB...He sat in his rookie year- That goes to the "given a job" theory- No he wasn't given the job he was learning the system- I remember when Cade McNown was given a series in each game as a rookie- with the thinking that he would pick it sooner if given playing time- Rex's plan was to sit (because the Cade theory didn't work) when the Bears were out of it, with Stewart, they started Rex. JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ROOKIE! He showed enough to have promise and faith in a first round pick- Stewart showed nothing, and was released. Are they supposed to bring in another "starter" when you have your future, your 1st round pick, just starting his career? Also his salary wasn't that big of a deal as the 22nd pick in 2003 he didn't make an astronomical base pay. Compared to the pay they are throwing around now. So no he wasn't/isn't "stealing" money. He was paid what was acceptable for a 1st round QB at the time.

Myth Two:  The Coaching Staff "stuck with him after too many fatal mistakes"

First Year- played 3 games (2-1)- Second year 3 games(1-2) Third Year- 2 games and a playoff game. (1-2) Keep in mind that he was injured in 2 of those years- call it all three if you count the broken finger in the last game of his rookie year. He was STILL the best player on the roster going into 2006 and proved it in the WIN over Attanta in 05. And then PROVED the coaches COMPLETELY right at the start of 2006...At the time people (fans) were realing from all the past qb problems- we know the list- the inablitity of Kyle Orton- AS a rookie- to move the ball in 2005, and the excitement Rex and his arm brought to the team after seeing all the bad for so long... Also- Fans/Coaches were questioning just WHAT we had in Rex, with his injuries- We all wanted to know- We HAD TO FIND OUT!! So in 2006 were we going to start Kyle Orton, the guy who was benched? or Start the 1st round Pick who was healthy, and ready, and excited the franchise in his brief stint in 2005? So 2006 happened, the first month and a half was FAR ABOVE any expactations of ANYONE... And yet it was still his "rookie" year as a starter- we all expected some bumps in the road- (just like with any yound QB)- HE EARNED the job, with what he did at the end of 2005, and the start of 2006. PLUS he WON GAMES!! remember we ONLY LOST 3 GAMES in 2006!!!

Myth Three: Rex can't handle the mental aspects of the game

He wasn't having any trouble knowing the game- or finding recievers when they were in the playoffs? That isn't pressure enough? Did he "melt" then? When the fan base boos the crap out of him, and yet he resigns to play here? Does that sound like someone that is mentally weak?  

When you take all the bad and pile it up in the room- The MONDAY NIGHT GAME (and I say that because it was a NATIONAL game- (Arizona) The Greenbay Meaningless game at the end of 06 that he wasn't going to play all of. The Superbowl (even though I don't think it was Rex that lost that game- it was the 200+ rushing yards and Peyton Manning that Won) Another NATIONAL GAME and then The Cowboys Game in 2007 (again the dropped passes, and stopping on routes)- back to the pile of bad in the room- THAT makes people crazy! (understandably) BUT they DWELL on it WAY TOO MUCH!! 

They fail to remember the GOOD stuff that Rex did- Again the MVP Month, the "rebound" games...the Record... The Playoffs...the Bronco's game in 07... The 30+ touchdown passes... The GOOD plays. The 20+ yard plays, the 30+ yard plays, The 50+ yard plays... ALL of which had NOT been seen since Eric Kramer...the fact of a starting qb for a full season for all games. Did I say Playoff WINS? Who was the last BEARS QB to win a playoff game?

I've covered this as well- The 3 OC's in 3 years- Shoop, Shea, Turner...2 head coaches... 2 major injuries, Boo's, playoff success, and superbowl loss, More boos, another minor injury, a qb "competition" that he had no chance to win. (Lovie felt the pressure from the fans and knew that he wan't going to have Rex be the starter no matter how he played in preseason. He (lovie) knew that this was an average team, and needed a "game" manager. Thus K.O.- Now Kyle has played well beyond expactations, but going in KYLE did NOT earn the job either. Rex is done in Chicago for the sole purpose that the fans boo too much and the coach was going to go the "safe" route and play to the fears of the fans- knowing that his aproval rating would be down even more then it is if he went with Rex. Anyone in these boards that thinks they could do what Rex has done and put up with what he's put up with is absolutely crazy!

Go Bears!


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