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Garza gets $9.5 million, from the Cubs or . . .

Posted on: February 3, 2012 10:37 am
Edited on: February 3, 2012 10:58 am
Matt Garza and the Cubs avoided arbitration Friday morning by settling on a contract that will pay him $9.5 million and also includes performance bonuses.

Next question: Who will pay him that $9.5 million?

Garza has been the subject of trade talks for much of the winter, and some people who speak regularly with Cubs management believe that the team will continue shopping him in spring training. There could be a lively market for starting pitching in March, with the Yankees, Nationals and Rays all going into spring with more than five starters, and with the White Sox still believed to be open to moving Gavin Floyd, as well.

Garza's settlement wouldn't figure to hurt the Cubs' chances of moving him. The pitcher had asked for $12.5 million, while the Cubs filed at $7.95 million. The settlement is below the $10.225 million midpoint, but the bonuses could raise it above that.

The Red Sox have been one of the teams most interested in adding a starting pitcher, but they've also been insisting that they don't have much money in their budget. They reportedly offered Edwin Jackson only $5-6 million, and he signed with the Nationals for twice that.

The 28-year-old Garza had a good first year with the Cubs, with 198 innings pitched and a 3.32 ERA. He had a 10-10 record that can be attributed more to the team's ineptitude than to how he pitched.

Former Cubs general manager Jim Hendry gave up a lot of talent to get Garza from the Rays last winter, but Epstein's clear plan has been to completely rebuild, and Garza may fit in best by bringing a nice return on the trade market.

Category: MLB
Tags: Cubs, Matt Garza

Since: Jun 21, 2009
Posted on: February 5, 2012 4:17 pm

Garza gets $9.5 million, from the Cubs or . . .

MJM, you are ignoring a couple things- one, if Boston wanted Epstein, he'd still be the GM. Second, the history of these kinds of cases has been for the hiring team to give up a couple of low-level minor league prospects (c.f. Lou Piniella and Ozzie Guillen).

Maybe your trade would be considered on its own merits, but I doubt it. Garza has more value to the Cubs than a bunch of scrubs who could be potentially decent to good in marginally valuable roles. Guys like these are dime a dozen.

Since: Jul 29, 2010
Posted on: February 5, 2012 11:48 am

Garza gets $9.5 million, from the Cubs or . . .

1)Theo wants to trade Garza for the future. 2) Boston Likes Garza. 3) Cubs owe Sox compensation for hiring our GM while still under contract. 4) Sox have plenty of prospects to give. I never said They should pay his contract, I merely said that not taking Bobby Jenks in the deal would kill it with Henry crying poverty. Look at the stats of the guys I named. Who knows them better than Theo? Doubront could be a #5 rookie starter on many teams this year if given the shot. Workman is a potential beast. Britton could be a very good 8th inning set up guy if he gets his stuff together, and Theo called Vitek the highest ceiling draft we made that year (2010 i think?). Theo has alot of good things to say about the kid. Vitek and Pimental also have high ceilings. Bottom line is your organization scooped up a whiz kid that helped bring 2 World Series titles to our organization when we were hurting most for it. All that is left is the starving Cubbies. If he does to chicago ( and I think he can) what he did here, Boston deserves that type of compensation. Jenks would be there just to make the money work and after this season he is gone. 2-3 High ceiling prospects plus Theo Epstien for Matt Garza IS fair. This guy builds championships. He is already a rock star in Chicago and for good reason. Look at what he has already done with your team. Do you honestly think the team would look this way if Theo was still in Boston? I think Chicago is dilusional to think that an A+ successful GM can be taken under contract for nothing more than a garbage prospect or AAAA pitcher. Like I said, Sox get Garza and pay his salery, cubs get Theo, Doubront, Workman, Vitek, and Jenks. How is that not a fair deal? Or you guys can go back to the way of losing every year and give him back! As a sox fan, I would rather have Theo back than any of the above. Yes he has made some bad free agent moves, but the guys in our farm, and the small moves that helped out in a big way definatly trump that. He is a winner with a winning mentality and there are too few like him.

Since: Feb 5, 2012
Posted on: February 5, 2012 6:57 am

Garza gets $9.5 million, from the Cubs or . . .

This was a really intelligent arguement with all the in's and out's that a general manager must face today with the new CBA, but in your "Red Sox Nation" wake and bake clouded brain you are overlooking one very important fact......Theo ain't trading Garza for Jenks and 2 mid-level prospects, even if they do owe some kind of compensation for himself.  He wants what Hendry gave up for least TWO top 50 prospects.  COME ON MAN!?!    And you will be calling yourself very lucky if you get Randy Wells as compensation, you will probable get Brett Ebinger.  He was 5 and 5 with a 7.74 ERA in class A.

Since: Jun 21, 2009
Posted on: February 4, 2012 7:13 pm

Garza gets $9.5 million, from the Cubs or . . .

There is no chance Garza will be the compensation for Epstein, no matter how desperate the Red Sox are for proven starting pitching. To also think the Cubs would pay Garza's salary on top of sending him to Boston is even more absurd. Boston has no leverage over anyone regarding Epstein's departure; they'll be lucky to get as much as a low-level minor league prospect or two from the Cubs.

Since: Jul 29, 2010
Posted on: February 4, 2012 3:29 pm

Garza gets $9.5 million, from the Cubs or . . .

If I were the Redsox GM, I would stop this significant player compensation nonsense and get Matt Garza. Theo wants to trade him for the future if he can so get it done. What farm system does he know best? The one he built. They could send a package of Bobby Jenks (6 million) Felix Doubront, and someone like Brandon Workman to the Cubs. That gives Theo 2 decent pitching prospects, one with MLB ability and experience, another with a fairly high ceiling,  and a contract that expires in 1 year in Jenks to keep the sox finances under the luxury tax (or they have to eat at least $4.5 mil of his $9.5 mil contract). If they need a tad bit more than do it!  Vitek, Pimental, and Britton could be sparred. The Sox get Garza, who is proven, and the ability to work a long-term deal out with a 28 year old front end starter that has had huge success in the majors and the AL East. Get rid of Jenks and we would only add $3.5 mil to our current budget, staying under the luxury tax. If we can offer Edwin Jackson and Roy Oswalt $6 mil, than why not A) save face with Selig and settle the matter as adults and get what we need, and B) do it in way that upgrades our starting rotation in a huge way and still leaves $2.5 mil on the table to play with. 
If Bud makes the decision, we will be stuck with someone of the likes of Randy Wells. Castro or Garza will not just get handed over. What good is Wells? We already have Padilla, Cook, Silva, Maine, Germano, Miller, Doubront, and possibly Wakefield that can be a fill in spot starter if needed. Odds are Non of them have what it takes to be our #5 guy. Aceves would be the best option as our #5 but he is 10X better suited in our bullpen and seems to tire after 5 innings. Bard may be the future but right now 32 starts is not going to come easy transitioning out of the bullpen. Success is also not guaranteed. Garza would do 3 things for our team. 1) It puts Aceves in role that we know he can dominate,  2) It slides Bard down to the 5 spot, where he could be skipped for a 4 man rotation to give extra rest, or even skipped and have a spot-start guy in there for extra rest, and Buchholtz gets slide into the 4 spot to ease back to MLB level of competion. He had a tough injury. Being the 4 in Boston would let him dominate every 5 days and he can always move up, but after a few months it no longer matters.
With a rotation of Beckett (31), Lester (28). Garza (28), Buchholtz (27), and Bard (26), the Red Sox would be set for a few years. With Barnes and Renaudo both thought to have #1 potential, we would only have to worry if Bard doesn't cut the mustard. Then one of the previously stated pitchers would come into play. In 2 years when Beckett's conmtract runs out, we would have a freshly groomed starter on the rise again. Maybe 2 depending how long we signed Garza for. Either way, we have prospects to spare while they are still attractive and many of these guys would be tempting to Theo as they are his guys. 
Get it done, solve this stupid compensation issue while also solving our starting rotation issue. You are the Boston Redsox, not the Baltimore Orioles. After last years collapse you owe it to the team and the fans to do something more than the lackluster signings you have made. This solution stays under budget, makes us better, and doesn't stick us with another has been. The Cubs also relieve long term salary and could get more now in terms of prospects than at the deadline for a half year rent-a-pitcher.  Theo gets some of his picks in Chicago, Ben gets us what we need most, a proven starter. 

Since: Apr 1, 2009
Posted on: February 4, 2012 12:10 pm

Garza gets $9.5 million, from the Cubs or . . .

hope the jays get this guy and the cubbies pay half his salary. then we will give them some minor prospects wich we do have some quality there, of course Garza would have to sign for three years and we, with the proper moves, could gaurentee him some playoff appearences. AS long as i'm going out on a limb i might as well hope it's the jays and the rays fighting it out, and the sox-n-yanks watchingfrom the basement!!! ..... just below the O's

Since: Dec 30, 2006
Posted on: February 4, 2012 7:14 am

Garza gets $9.5 million, from the Cubs or . . .

I think that most likely Garza starts the year as a Cub and becomes the #1 target at the deadline for teams looking to add a quality starter.

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2012 8:27 pm

Garza gets $9.5 million, from the Cubs or . . .

I would say it is pretty significant.  Edwin Jackson gives up 4.4 runs a game or roughly the same as the Phillies average (13th).  Garza gives up 3.8, or roughly what the Astros score (26th).  Pretty significant IMO.

Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2012 6:59 pm

Garza gets $9.5 million, from the Cubs or . . .

Is 1/2 run a game worth 5 extra million?

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2012 4:43 pm

Garza gets $9.5 million, from the Cubs or . . .

 I don't think he is that much better than Jackson, who was offered 5M

Historically, he is one half run per game better.  3.8 vs. 4.4.  

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