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Darvish is gone, but plenty of starters available

Posted on: December 21, 2011 1:30 pm
Edited on: December 23, 2011 12:52 pm
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Among teams and agents with starting pitching for sale, there was some hope that the Yu Darvish decision would spur movement in a market that has been slow to develop.

That could still happen. But for now, there is still so much pitching available that it's hard to understand why any team would feel the need to panic.

The free-agent market still offers Hiroki Kuroda, Edwin Jackson and Roy Oswalt, among others.

On the trade market, Jair Jurrjens, Wade Davis, Jeff Niemann, Wandy Rodriguez, Matt Garza and more are all believed by other teams to be available, albeit at what buyers still consider to be inflated prices. Even with Mat Latos already having gone to the Reds, John Danks signing an extension with the White Sox and Gio Gonzalez gone to the Nationals, it's a long list (and others such as the Mets' Jon Niese are also out there, along with longer-shot names like James Shields).

Compare that to last July 31, when the Tigers were able to trade for Doug Fister and the Indians got Ubaldo Jimenez, but many teams trying to deal for pitching found no one of real value available.

Now, the question is the high cost in prospects, at least based on what the Padres and A's got for Latos and Gonzalez. Meanwhile, the Red Sox, Marlins, Blue Jays, Royals, Tigers, Mariners, Yankees, Rockies, Orioles and others are hoping to add at least one more starter this winter.

And the market is still so fluid that one person who talked to the Red Sox this week reported back that they are "in on everybody."

In part because so many pitchers are still available, many rival officials continue to think that the Padres did very well in what they got from the Reds for Latos, who is young (24), cheap (not even arbitration-eligible yet), controllable (can't be a free agent until 2016) and talented, but also is regarded as having questionable makeup.

The Reds would no doubt argue that the price for any top pitching remains high, and for now it does.

The question is where the market goes from here, particularly with so many pitchers available.


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Darvish is gone, but plenty of starters available

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Posted on: December 22, 2011 3:32 pm
 

Darvish is gone, but plenty of starters available

Hahahaha, Fielder no better than Pena?! Wow, are you serious?! Pass that pipe over this way.




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Darvish is gone, but plenty of starters available

Where is Wonder Boy Theo? Cubs are dangling Garza? He is the only reliable SP on their roster. They could use all of the guys mentioned above and still not have a great rotation. Zambrano can't be counted on for anything. Dempster is very inconsistent and under pressure, he's just bad. After that... Wonder Boy Theo is going to have to pull some rabbits out of hats to put together a rotation that will complete in a depleted NL Central. Fielder sounds like a nice addition, but A) he can't pitch and B) his production won't be that much greater than Carlos Pena, the guy he would be replacing. So far, the team's biggest acquisition was the McDonald's outside of the ballpark. Come on Cubbies, come on Wonder Boy - let's get going.



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Posted on: December 22, 2011 1:39 pm
 

Darvish is gone, but plenty of starters available

Danks is much younger, and has much more upside than Lackey.  Dank has the potential to grow into an ace


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