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On 2012 Hall ballot, it's no, no and no

Posted on: November 30, 2011 4:37 pm
The first (and easiest) part of the Hall of Fame voting process is crossing off the names that obviously don’t fit.

This year, it's far too easy.

I counted 13 new names on the 2012 ballot that was announced Wednesday. It took me about 13 seconds to realize that I won't be voting for any of them.

Jeromy Burnitz? Bill Mueller? Tony Womack?

No, no, no.

Vinny Castilla? Brian Jordan? Bernie Williams?

No, no, no.

And here's my problem: I only voted for two guys last year (Robbie Alomar and Jack Morris), and one of them (Alomar) got in.

That leaves me with one holdover (Morris) and no newcomers. That leaves me with one name on my ballot, and it leaves me with one big question:

If I'm only voting for one guy (voters can pick up to 10 names), am I being too picky?

I don't know the answer yet. I've got a month to figure it out, because the Hall ballot must be postmarked by Dec. 31 (with results announced Jan. 9).

If I decide that my standards have been too strict, the two guys I'm most likely to add to the ballot are shortstops Barry Larkin and Alan Trammell. Both have good (and similar cases), and they were the last two players I eliminated a year ago.

I'll look at other names, too.

I'm not sure yet. It's going to take a lot of time, and a lot of thought.

A lot more than 13 seconds.


Since: Nov 25, 2010
Posted on: January 8, 2012 4:05 am

On 2012 Hall ballot, it's no, no and no

Of the 60 Hall of Fame outfielders, Dale Murphy ranks 32nd in games played, 16th in Home Runs, 31st in RBI's, 59th in batting average (yes, he's ahead of Reggie Jackson, who also struck out more than Murph), tied for 4th in MVP awards, 20th in All-Star selections, 1st in Silver Sluggers, 1st in Gold Gloves and one of 4 to win the Lou Gehrig Award and one of 6 to win the Roberto Clemente Award. He's a member of the 30/30 club (back when it wasn't commonplace), he DOMINATED the 80's both offensively AND defensively. He had a consecutive games played streak that ranks 13th All-Time, was intentionally walked 159 times (leading the league with 29 one season) and, in playing for a woeful team, he had stats that were probably diminished by at least 10% due to no protection in the batting order. His career average would probably have been around .290 had he played for a stronger team. But why does it seem to be all about batting average? Lack of spectacular years? If you're going to throw that out there, kick half the members of the HoF out. Seriously. Any argument people make against Murphy should also be applied to everyone else that's in the Hall or going to be elected. They aren't, for some reason. He played at a time when you didn't have a plethora of .350 hitters or 50 home run hitters. He was arguably the BEST player of the 1980's. Period. That deserves enshrinement.

Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: December 1, 2011 5:05 pm

On 2012 Hall ballot, it's no, no and no

Am I the only one that thinks that allowing writers to vote for Baseball's Hall Of Fame is a BONE-HEAD decision ?

They don't let Netflicks franchisees vote for the Oscars.

I'd wager virtually none of the BWAA have played or managed a baseball game past Little League, have a degree in Statistical Analysis or Law, but these people determine who measures up, or should be punished for crimes they've never been charged with.  

It's the tail wagging the dog.

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: December 1, 2011 3:58 pm

On 2012 Hall ballot, it's no, no and no

I agree about Jack Morris.  I'm torn over Barry Larkin, he was the best SS in the NL for a long time but at the same time I don't think he was necessarily better than Alan Trammell.  I think Larkin just didn't have the same high quality peers Trammell did during his prime with Cal Ripken Jr., Robin Yount and even one of the most underrated SS's ever in Tony Fernandez.  I would vote for Jeff Bagwell though - I think he's guilty but there is no hard evidence and his numbers were put up during his prime - not as an old guy like Bonds and Clemens.  The only other 3 guys on the ballot worth discussing are Lee Smith who on numbers alone should go in eventually - but I don't think he was ever considered the 'Best in the game' for a stretch.  Don Mattingly who was great for too short a time probably and Dale Murphy - same problem as Mattingly.  

Since: Dec 28, 2006
Posted on: December 1, 2011 1:13 pm

On 2012 Hall ballot, it's no, no and no

bigbade said everything i was going to and more. i say give that him a hall of fame vote over this moron. honestly the fact that writers get to choose this crap is frankly kinda stupid. the is probably the only way i hate baseballs traditions and this is the only one they are never gonna change. 

Since: Oct 23, 2006
Posted on: December 1, 2011 12:58 pm

On 2012 Hall ballot, it's no, no and no

How in the world did this clown get a vote for the Hall of Fame in the first place, and exactly what do you call this so called article. He made twenty personnal references to himself, we got it, you have a HOF vote. Can anyone say narcissistic? Do these guys have editors or are they allowed to throw up what ever they are thinking unchecked when ever they want?

Since: Jul 30, 2009
Posted on: December 1, 2011 12:22 pm

On 2012 Hall ballot, it's no, no and no

Steroids.........shouldn't and won't make it.

Since: Jul 30, 2009
Posted on: December 1, 2011 12:21 pm

On 2012 Hall ballot, it's no, no and no


Since: Jul 30, 2009
Posted on: December 1, 2011 12:20 pm

On 2012 Hall ballot, it's no, no and no

100% agree.......well said!

Since: Aug 13, 2007
Posted on: December 1, 2011 11:48 am

On 2012 Hall ballot, it's no, no and no

Yo Knobler, why don't you vote for Mark McGwire again?  He probably won't get enough votes to make the Hall anyway, so you don't need to worry about messing up the hallowed ground with an underserving member.  Wait a minute: ya already voted for Big Mac two years ago using that exact logic. 

And your ballot last year was even more brilliantly logical: "I'm not voting for Bert Blyleven because he'll probably get enough votes to make the Hall without me."  Gotta love those picky standards, eh?  For the good of this country, one can only hope that the Knoblers of the world don't cast votes in elections that actually matter.

I've gotta agree with the posters who say you should give up your Hall voting privileges to someone who will actually use baseball performance to decide how to fill a ballot out.  If you must keep your ballot this year, check the box next to Jack Morris, then copy whatever Scott Miller does for the rest; at least that dude gives decent reasoning for his votes and non-votes.

Since: Nov 19, 2007
Posted on: December 1, 2011 11:37 am

On 2012 Hall ballot, it's no, no and no

Barry Larkin is well deserved of the Hall of Fame. Please put him on your ballot.

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