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Orioles set to take a chance with Duquette

Posted on: November 5, 2011 7:19 pm
Edited on: November 5, 2011 7:25 pm
 
The Orioles are close to naming a general manager, and Dan Duquette is close to getting back in baseball.

It's taken them a while. It's him a while, too.

They're taking a chance, and so is he.

Sources confirmed to CBSSports.com late Saturday afternoon that Duquette is indeed the Orioles' latest choice to replace Andy MacPhail, and that team officials were working with the former Expos and Red Sox general manager to finalize a deal that could be announced within the next couple of days.

ESPN's Tim Kurkjian first reported that the Orioles were close to a deal with Duquette.

Duquette will be returning to professional baseball after a nine-year absence. The Orioles' GM search has only seemed to take that long.

The Orioles settled on Duquette only after interviewing five other candidates, and only after first offering the job to Blue Jays executive Tony LaCava, who turned it down. Several other possible candidates also either pulled out of the running or made it clear that they weren't interested in joining an organization that has appeared dysfunctional.

That said, the 53-year-old Duquette could give the Orioles exactly what they were looking for. He had a good track record in both Montreal and Boston, and he has the scouting and player development background that they said was a prerequisite.

Duquette has a particular strength in Latin American scouting, an area where the Orioles have been particularly lagging.

The biggest concern is whether Duquette has lost touch with professional baseball after being out of the game so long. Fired by the Red Sox soon after the current ownership group took over, he has spent the last nine years running the Dan Duquette Sports Academy in Massachusetts, and also running a sports consulting business.

The Orioles' job is a challenge for many reasons, the first being that owner Peter Angelos can be difficult to work for. The presence of strong-minded manager Buck Showalter is also seen by some as an issue, and one of the many things that made the Orioles' GM search unusual was that Showalter sat in on the interviews and had a strong voice in the process.

Too often, the process seemed to be a total mess.

Now, it seems to be reaching the end. The Orioles seem to have found their man, and it's even possible that they found the right man.

It just took them a while.

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Since: Jul 22, 2007
Posted on: November 7, 2011 7:19 pm
 

Orioles set to take a chance with Duquette

Yes and it was a HARD fought 16 wins for Pedro that season, let's also not forget how Pedro BARELY escaped the relief appearance he made in the elimination game against the Yankees.
Oh and what did Pedro do AFTER he left the Sox and signed with the Mets? NOTHING!
Who stole second during the CS against the Yankees? yep, Dave Roberts, who got more big hits? Manny? nope it was Ortiz.
Oh and it sure is easy to spend ownership's money like Duquette did at least Theo made TRADES (and before you go to the Heathcliff Slocum trade I will acknowledge that deal Duquette made and the Pedro one) AND it was under Theo that the Sox farm system has become one of the best in baseball, the same can not be said for when Duquette was in charge, yes he had guys get to the majors he drafted but Theo has kept a steady stream of talent in the minors.Oh and yes my friends and I all were ripping on the team as a while when Uggie Urbina got into that fight with Trot Nixon, actually both fights with Nixon both on the plane and another time in the club house but again I never put that on Duquette but rather Kevin Kennedy who was the manager at the time. 
Don't go assuming you know what I and my friends who are Sox fans got bothered by and what we didn't get bothered by, you look like a fool!
MOST problems in the clubhouse do not get blamed on the GM, at least right away  they don't, it usually falls on the Manager, coaching staff & veteran players, if it's a pervasive, persistent problem that is reported on more than a couple of times THEN it is up to the GM to step in and say "what's going on?" and to take necessary action.
We only heard about the Sox clubhouse problems during the last week of the season and the offseason itself.
And yes I will "crow" about 2 world series titles and do so loudly and proudly because at the end of the day that is what EVERY team plays for, not to be in first place, or make more money for the club or for hit, win or HR records it is to win the world series.
Tell me you wouldn't take your favorite baseball team winning 2 world series in that span, sure you'd want more but you would be on top of the world with 2 and you know it!
Outside of Brian Cashman show me another GM that has multiple world series titles in a 7-10 year span this decade.
Good luck O's fans! get ready for lots of talk of how many days you spend in third or fourth place, trading away your best prospects for marginal stars on decline, alienation of anyone associated with the team including Ripken and all done in a monotone voice too! 



Since: Nov 5, 2011
Posted on: November 7, 2011 5:56 pm
 

Orioles set to take a chance with Duquette

"I'm NOT saying Theo is god, not at all, I just get bothered when people try to say Dan Duquette was some great talent evcaluator and deserved so much credit for things like the Expos doing so well and then that he was this GREAT GM for the Sox when nothing could be further from the truth."

"Countless messages?" There was one guy in the first story that mentioned Duquette's contributions before you went off. Get real.

The rest are Orioles fans and comments from people like me explaining to people like you that Epstein is getting credit for what anyone with half a baseball brain and an unlimited piggy bank could do.

And I think I've said about five times that Duquette was far from a "GREAT GM." If you bothered reading my last post both GM's got by making a couple of amazing moves that drowned out atrocious deals like Jose Offerman and Matt Clement.

"As for the Sox failures especially this past; season, yes that's on Theo too, you can't just heap praise and ignore the  failures but that wasn't the discussion it was about Duquette getting the O's job than veered into his time with the Sox which is to be expected and then the comparison between the two."

Are you joking? You just said "you can't just heap praise and ignore the failures" yet you brought up Epstein without bringing up his numerous failures since 2004. And boy, are they numerous. That's the real reason why you don't want to talk about it.

But apparently you can "heap" criticism and "ignore" success when it comes to Dan Duquette.

You still won't acknowledge that Duquette's farm system provided most of the trade bait for Epstein's deals.

You still won't acknowledge the signing of Johnny Damon.

You still won't acknowledge the signing of Manny Ramirez.

And then you trashed Pedro Martinez, the greatest pitcher in Red Sox history, for "only" getting 16 wins in 2004.

"Yes Theo bears some responsibility for the team that underperformed this season and as for the clubhouse shenanigans a GM only knows so much and we don't know how much Theo knew and if he knew everything that was going on and did nothing to fix it than I'm angry as a Sox fan and disappointed but usually those sorts of things are handled by the manager, coaching staff & veteran players which apparently did not happen."

Spare everyone your excuse making. I doubt you would've said the same thing about Duquette when Ugueth Urbina started brawling with other players on the team plane. Regardless, those guys have sucked on the field the past four years, which is on Epstein.

"As for Theo's tenure being highly overrated - 2 world series titles is FAR from overrated, ask ANY GM or any baseball fan if they'd take 2 world series championships from their GM that is overseeing the team now and ask if they would say if that GM was "overrated" and you'll hear that they would take those titles and even if they despised the GM they wouldn't say he was overrated."

Yeah, I know. It's called being nice. Being a jerk to people in power has consequences.

Anyway, you keep living in La La Land where Damon, Pedro, Man Ram, Wakefield, Lowe, Varitek and a few others had no bearing on winning the title in 2004 and pretend the 2007 team isn't loaded with bums Epstein signed and traded for that went from World Series to epic fail.

It's been seven years. Crow about "two World Series" all you want. If you look at Epstein's career in Boston as a whole it's pretty average.



Since: Jul 22, 2007
Posted on: November 7, 2011 4:56 pm
 

Orioles set to take a chance with Duquette

I'm NOT saying Theo is god, not at all, I just get bothered when people try to say Dan Duquette was some great talent evcaluator and deserved so much credit for things like the Expos doing so well and then that he was this GREAT GM for the Sox when nothing could be further from the truth.
I also am not saying that Theo thought that Mueller or Ortiz would produce the way they did, yes he took chances on them and they panned out VERY well but when you look player by player that each one took a chance on Theo comes out on top and it can't ALL just be "luck".
No one is putting Duquette on a pedastal? are you kidding me? The ONLY reason I jumped into this discussion was because of the countless messages about how much credit Duquette deserved for the '04 title and it was "his" team and Theo just got lucky with a couple of spare parts he added.
Go back through the message string and see for yourself and you'll see why I jumped in and why I did so as enthusiastically as I did.
As for the Sox failures especially this past; season, yes that's on Theo too, you can't just heap praise and ignore the  failures but that wasn't the discussion it was about Duquette getting the O's job than veered into his time with the Sox which is to be expected and then the comparison between the two.
Yes Theo bears some responsibility for the team that underperformed this season and as for the clubhouse shenanigans a GM only knows so much and we don't know how much Theo knew and if he knew everything that was going on and did nothing to fix it than I'm angry as a Sox fan and disappointed but usually those sorts of things are handled by the manager, coaching staff & veteran players which apparently did not happen.
As for Theo's tenure being highly overrated - 2 world series titles is FAR from overrated, ask ANY GM or any baseball fan if they'd take 2 world series championships from their GM that is overseeing the team now and ask if they would say if that GM was "overrated" and you'll hear that they would take those titles and even if they despised the GM they wouldn't say he was overrated. 



Since: Nov 5, 2011
Posted on: November 7, 2011 12:54 pm
 

Orioles set to take a chance with Duquette

Bison, there you go again ignoring things that don't fit your "Theo is God" argument.

Do you honestly think Epstein signed Ortiz, Millar and Mueller for a couple million because he knew they'd be offensive powerhouses and bring a huge clubhouse presence? It's called hiring utilitymen and getting lucky.

The only reason Epstein gets away with the Foulke signing is because of 2004. He sucked after that.

Getting Schilling and the three guys for Nomar was great. What's he done since then?

You want to talk about bad signings by a GM? How about every pitcher Epstein signed or traded for not named Schilling, Foulke or Timlin? EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Oh that's right, because all you want to talk about is how Theo used three quarters of someone else's team to win a title in 2004 and buy another one in 2007.

No one's putting Duquette on a pedestal. In fact, the only person putting anyone on a pedestal is you and it's Epstein. Epstein, like Duquette, made a couple of move that made him look better than he actually was.

How about I just dumb it down to your level and say "Manny Ramirez was THE WORLD SERIES MVP IN 2004 and Mike Lowell was THE WORLD SERIES MVP IN 2007," two guys NOT BROUGHT IN by the "Boy Wonder."

How about I dumb it down even further and say "With minor exceptions, that self-destructive group of bums that have taken the field the past four seasons is ALL ON THEO."

Epstein's tenure in Boston, like Duquette, was highly overrated. Deal with it.



Since: Dec 19, 2010
Posted on: November 6, 2011 7:41 pm
 

Orioles set to take a chance with Duquette

Knobler you're a bone head!
You freakin carry on like it's late December or something. "Orioles lagging behind in the hunt for free agents!" Who did they miss out on? Jim Thome?

micg1952, I think what Knobler means is that front offices often have their game plan together for free agency for the following season before the current season is over.  One of the concerns of the Cubs this season was to have that in place ASAP, since former GM Jim Hendry had little to offer with regard to rebuilding the team, since he thought the team was "fine" as is.

Without a game plan and budget for free agency, it's kinda tough to be in the market for anyone, especially since recent history has proven that some bigger free agents sign with teams before Thanksgiving.



Since: Sep 24, 2006
Posted on: November 6, 2011 5:54 pm
 

Orioles set to take a chance with Duquette

If the Orioles are going with Duquette ... then Duquette is my guy.

Gotta support the team.

The 9 years away is really not a big deal in my eyes as he was still functioning in an Administrative & Operations capacity.  Only 53 years old, I am sure that he has gained perspective on his former career as an 'outsider'.

A fresh start in the O's front office.

Need any help Dan ???



Since: Jul 22, 2007
Posted on: November 6, 2011 5:34 pm
 

Orioles set to take a chance with Duquette

Ok, who was the big hero for the Sox offensively in '04? - Ortiz! - signed by Theo
Who stoel second against the Yankees and without that steal the rally doesn't continue and thus no more playoffs or world series? - Dave Roberts! Traded for by Theo!
Who was the horse starter that year for the Sox? Schilling, traded for by Theo
Who was the closer that year - Foulke - signed by Theo
Who was an offensive spark and in the clubhouse while playing a dazzling SS? Orlando Cabrera traded for by Theo who had the GUTS to trade the beloved Nomar Garciaparra!
You want to talk about bad sigings by a GM, let's look at Dan Duquette siging Tuffy Rhodes - who was supposed to be this big savior from Japan and he batted a ROBUST .080 avg. (His lifetime MLB avg was .225 with 13 HR's), or maybe we should look at Dwayne Hosey who batted .338 - in 24 games!!!! but that was the MOST the Sox got out of those signings which were NOT for league minimum either and were highly toiuted by Duquette, How about "Dominican Mystery Man" Robinson Checo who was supposed to be this pitcher nobody knew about but Dan and his "I live with my mom in the basement of her house and do nothing but pour over sabermatric stats on my computer" "Statman" Mike Gimbel.
Just how did Checo do after signing a 7 figure deal? 1-2 with a 7.61 ERA which if you were Checo you'd LOVE that got paid over a million dollars a year for pitching so poorly!
There are many more I could site as examples of Duquette's poor decisions but for me the fact that he alienated former Sox players like Jim Rice & Bob Stanley not allowing them in the clubhouse or the fact that he told Johnny Pesky he was no longer welcome on the field to hit fungoes to the infielders when Manager Kevin Kennedy had said he LOVED having Johnny there, just the fact that he would disrespect a Red Sox player the stature of Johnny Pesky says a lot about him.
Let's also not forget the robotic phrase he uttered to Glenn Ordway on the "Big Show" on WEEI when he said "We may not have won in the playoffs but we've spent more days in first place than any other team in t he American league"
Ok, the last time I checked "spending more days in first place than any other team in the American League" does not = a championship or TRUE success but it's indicative of his thinking and how shortsighted he was, not a "big picture, long term" thinker at all.
Oh and BTW it was Dave Dombrowski who built those great Expo teams NOT Duquette, that's why when the Marlins had their choice of the 2 to have build their franchise they chose Dombrowski who built the Marlins and won a World Series! What did Duquette win in Montreal? - NADA! ZIP!, ZILCH!, BUPKUS!
Dombrowski eventually left the Marlins and has resuurected the Tigers, Duquette's been out of baseball not even getting a whiff of a job - coincidence? NOPE! 


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Since: Apr 28, 2011
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Since: Oct 16, 2006
Posted on: November 6, 2011 12:57 pm
 

Orioles set to take a chance with Duquette

Knobler you're a bone head!
You freakin carry on like it's late December or something. "Orioles lagging behind in the hunt for free agents!" Who did they miss out on? Jim Thome?



Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posted on: November 6, 2011 7:19 am
 

Orioles set to take a chance with Duquette

I sure hope picked up the phone and called his cousin Jim Duquette who worked for the Orioles for several years as "co-GM" I belive so Peter Angelos could always break a tie.    Sadly 9 years out of the business sounds about right for the Orioles.  It could be another long decade for Orioles fans.


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