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Lincecum was great, but he wasn't Halladay

Posted on: October 8, 2010 6:33 pm
 
PHILADELPHIA -- Tim Lincecum pitched a great game for the Giants the other night.

Roy Halladay threw a no-hitter.

Tim Lincecum struck out 14, but he also allowed two hard-hit doubles. Roy Halladay, as one Reds official put it, gave up a lot of six-hoppers to the infield.

Tim Lincecum faced a Braves lineup that, with no Chipper Jones and Martin Prado, is not really playoff-quality. Roy Halladay faced the team that scored the most runs in the National League.

Tim Lincecum benefitted from hitters who swung at pitchers out of the strike zone all night long. Roy Halladay made pitches in the strike zone and was so perfect that the Reds could never square the ball up.

I hate to even bring any of this up, because Lincecum deserves huge credit for an outstanding performance. But a column in the New York Times Friday suggested that Lincecum had actually done better, based on his "game score," and the idea picked up some support among those who value statistics above all else.

It was scoffed at by most baseball people who watched the two games.

"One's a no-hitter, one's not," one scout said simply. "End of story."

Reds manager Dusty Baker agreed.

While the stat guys value strikeouts over other outs, Baker said that Halladay "wasn't trying to strike guys out."

Baker watched the Lincecum game on television, and of course he was impressed. But he still put it a notch below what he saw in person from Halladay the night before.

"That's one of the best-pitched games I've ever seen," he said. "And I've seen a lot of them, and faced a lot of them. And I'm not taking anything away from what Lincecum did."

Neither do I.

It was a great game. It wasn't Halladay.
Comments

Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: February 20, 2012 8:59 am
 

Lincecum was great, but he wasn't Halladay




Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: January 14, 2012 8:16 pm
 

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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 5, 2011 3:11 pm
 

Lincecum was great, but he wasn't Halladay




Since: Nov 19, 2011
Posted on: December 3, 2011 8:45 pm
 

Lincecum was great, but he wasn't Halladay




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Since: Dec 23, 2008
Posted on: October 8, 2010 11:19 pm
 

Lincecum was great, but he wasn't Halladay

I can't believe this argument is even being made. All the people who are claiming "east coast bias" and all that BS, are just "west coast biased". Ones a no hitter and the other one wasnt, what does it matter if there was 8 Ks or 14? Halladay got 27 outs without giving up a hit and Lincecum got 27 outs while giving up 2. end of story.



Since: Apr 3, 2007
Posted on: October 8, 2010 10:40 pm
 

Lincecum was great, but he wasn't Halladay

Lincecum did it with 1 (one, uno) run of support. 
They both had amazing games - but downgrading Lincecum's performance against a PLAYOFF TEAM in a 1-0 CGSO with 14 K's makes the author seem small and weak throwing stones at Giants (literally and figuratively). 
The pressure of a 1 run lead where any one of the Braves could have tied it up with 1 swing is enormous. How shallow and myopic of this author to utterly ignore this. 
And they quote Dusty Baker, a bitter ex-Giants manager who's never going to have a nice thing to say. Well done. Great reporting, scoop. 
"Doc" & "The Kid" were both tremendous - leave it at that. Taking a side in what shouldn't even be a debate makes the author sound like a grade A loser. 


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