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The Pirates vs. the Mets -- the '62, '63 Mets

Posted on: September 16, 2010 8:11 pm
Edited on: September 16, 2010 10:49 pm
NEW YORK -- This week, the Pirates couldn't beat the 2010 Mets.

I'm a lot more interested with how they do against the 1962 Mets. And the '63 Mets.

The 120-loss legendary '62 Mets? Yeah, those guys.

The Pirates aren't going to lose 120 games, as the '62 Mets famously did.

But they might lose as many road games as the '62 Mets did. Even worse, they might lose as many road games as the '63 Mets did.

Since baseball went to a 162-game schedule in 1961, the '62 and '63 Mets are the only two teams to fail to win 20 road games in a full (non-strike) season.

The expansion '62 Mets were 18-62 on the road. The '63 Mets were 17-64.

The Pirates, after a 6-2 loss tonight that completed a four-game Mets sweep at Citi Field, are 15-59.

They have seven road games remaining, the final week of the season in St. Louis (three games) and Florida (four games). They need to go 5-2 to get to 20 wins.

This, for a team that has lost 21 of its last 23 road games, has been swept in 13 series on the road already this year, while winning only four road series.

The Pirates haven't been a great team at home, either, but they're when they play at PNC Park they're not close to being historically bad. It's just when they go on the road that they become worse than the 119-loss 2003 Tigers (who went 20-61 on the road) and the 112-loss 1952 Pirates (19-58) or the 111-loss 2004 Diamondbacks (22-59).

"That's how it's been since I've been here," said pitcher Paul Maholm, a Pirate since 2005. "But never like this."

To be sure, the Pirates have been a dreadful road team (and a lousy team overall) in recent years. They were 22-58 on the road last year, 24-57 in 2006.

But plenty of other teams in recent years have had records like that. No team since those expansion-era Mets -- nearly 50 years ago -- has had a road record like this.

"It is puzzling," pitcher Zach Duke admitted. "I wish I had an answer."

The stats explain part of it. A bunch of Pirates hitters have awful home-road splits, notably Pedro Alvarez (.273 at home, .190 on the road), Ronny Cedeno (.279, .210) and Delwyn Young (.292, .182). And the Pirates have a 4.50 ERA at home, as opposed to 5.69 on the road.

"Obviously, we don't pitch as well on the road," manager John Russell said. "We don't drive the ball as well on the road."

But Russell had no good explanation for it. Neither did his players.

"I think we're playing better now," Cedeno said. "But we've lost close games."

In the first six games of their current trip, the Pirates lost three extra-inning games, lost another one-run game, and were blown out just once.

Is that really progress?

The numbers that matter show that in those six games, the Pirates went 1-5. And with seven road games to play, they're 15-59.

Could they catch the '62 Mets, and lost 62? They'd need to go 5-2 the final week not to catch them.

Can they catch the '63 Mets, and thus tie for the second-most road losses in modern major-league history (64)? With a 2-5 finish, they'd get there.

In fact, if the Pirates go 1-6 in their final eight road games, they'd finish with 65 road losses, tying the 1935 Boston Braves (13-65) for the most in modern major-league history.

The way they're going, they've got a shot.


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