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With Lee gone, Martinez could follow

Posted on: July 29, 2009 5:48 pm
Edited on: July 29, 2009 5:55 pm
The Indians always said they were reluctant to trade Cliff Lee because they'd not only be giving up on 2009, but 2010 as well. The idea was that without Lee, the Indians wouldn't have an ace, and wouldn't have the money to go get one.

Now Lee is gone to the Phillies, and with him the Indians' 2010 hopes are realistically gone, too.

And that means the Indians could be more receptive than ever to dealing Victor Martinez, too.

The Red Sox have long been interested in Martinez. The Rays showed interest in him, as well, but many people in baseball doubt Tampa Bay's interest was ever sincere.

While the Indians will still ask a stiff price for Martinez, it's now harder to justify keeping him if they can get a decent return. Like Lee, Martinez has an affordable club option for 2010 ($7 million, in Martinez's case), and is eligible for free agency after that. Like Lee, Martinez is unlikely to sign long-term with the Indians, considering his value, the team's payroll constraints, and the availability of replacements.

The Indians acquired one catcher, Lou Marson, in the Lee deal. They received another, Carlos Santana, in last year's Casey Blake trade with the Dodgers.

Scouts say the Red Sox's farm system is weak at the upper levels, but if they want Martinez badly enough (and if they don't decide to use the same prospects to go get Roy Halladay instead), they should be able to come up with a package to make it work.

At this point, the Indians would have a hard time saying no.


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Since: Sep 2, 2006
Posted on: July 30, 2009 11:56 am

With Lee gone, Martinez could follow

I heard the Indians are willing to trade Marintez for a prospect mascot.

Since: Dec 14, 2007
Posted on: July 30, 2009 10:25 am

With Lee gone, Martinez could follow

It is a disappointment to see Lee go, but from a business standpoint, it is the right move.  Obviously we were done this year in May.  So at this point, trading some of these players (Lee, Garko, Betancourt...Martinez...?) will allow us to re-stock the farm system with some good talent, which is sorely needed.  That is how Dick Jacobs turned the team around, by stocking the farm system and bringing up players (Alomar, Belle, Baerga, Nagy, etc.), then complementing those guys with some key veteran free agents (Hershiser, Murray, etc.).  DO you remember some of the team he fielded after buying the team in the late 80's?  They were awful.  But he was working on the farm system the whole time and then all of a sudden it started to bear fruit.  That is what the Indians are trying to do now.

You can rail against the Dolans and their being "cheap" all you want, but Dick Jacobs NEVER spent more money than he brought in with the team.  He had the benefit of a brand new stadium timed with a young team that started to play well at the same time.  He put the money back in to the product on-field, but never went into his own pocket to deficit spend.

Now, with a sluggish economy and a bad team, there is less attendance and sponsorship and less money to spend on players, so Shapiro needs to be frugal and smart and he is really forced to trade many of his pieces for a better future.  As he has stated, he has to keep one eye on the present and one eye on the future.  Fans only care about the today part.

Unfortunately, we are a market that will have cycles.  We will play well for 3-5 years and then re-build for 3-5 years.  The trick is to minimize the re-build and maximize the competitive years.

Don't worry Tribe fans, we'll be back.

Since: Jun 9, 2009
Posted on: July 30, 2009 4:54 am

With Lee gone, Martinez could follow

wow pizza...i smell what ur cook''s a shame....i feel so bad for what could have been...the city of's fans.... and most of all my die hard father....who told me today that he is done with the indians and not to subscribe to the mlb package with directv....i feel a tear well up as i write game away from the WS and paying the rockies...just think what that would have done...keep the talent who knows...and now my father gets to look forward to a crappy browns may get to the point where i throw my hands up....but sports has been a big part of my life..... all i can remember..thome leaving...manny leaving....and remember the days when we were the buyers....during the 90'

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