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My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

Posted on: June 8, 2008 12:06 am
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A little late, but I don't care. I'll keep it nice and simple, in numbered points:

  1. Bartlett putting his knee down in front of the bag when Crisp was sliding in head first is a shady play. You do that with the intent of hurting the other player somewhere on his body, and putting the knee down could result in something as small as a jammed finger or as big as a broken collarbone. I've seen both, neither are pretty. Legal, yes, shady, absolutely.
  2. Crisp slid hard into second base into Akinori Iwamura. No matter who it was, Crisp was sliding in hard. Retaliation for what he thought was a shady play, that's fine, I have absolutely no problem with it, and have no problem with a hard slide on either end if it's in retaliation for something.
  3. First at-bat of the game for Crisp, Shields throws at him. Yea, it hit him in the legs, yes, Crisp should've been expecting it, however, this incident could've been put behind us, but Shields instigated it further.
  4. Crisp charged the mound, thus pushing the issue even further. He should not have charged the mound, but he was unable to swallow pride and take his lumps because he felt he was right for what he did, which I believe he was with regards to the hard slide. He was not right for charging the mound.
  5. Shields can't punch. It will never cease to amaze me how many people still throw haymakers. I could just roll off a list of things to do when a haymaker is coming at you, it's just such a stupid move! In all honesty, if I was Crisp, in dodging the roundhouse, left hand would've gone up to block the punch, and the right hand would have went right into Shield's right bicep without hesitation. People that throw haymakers and don't get hurt are stupid and lucky.
  6. Navarro did what he was supposed to do, he got Crisp out of the way and took him down. That was enough for the brawl, what Navarro did was fine.
  7. Johnny Gomes is a punk and a wuss for hitting Crisp while he was being held down.
  8. Carl Crawford is a punk and a wuss for hitting Crisp while he was being held down.
  9. Even Akinori Iwamura took a few cheap shots at Crisp, and therefore, is a punk and a wuss in my book.
  10. Tampa Bay is building a reputation for itself, and not a good one. There is a reason they have been in 2 big brawls already this year (counting the Spring Training ones with the Yankees). You can call the people good teammates all you want, the fact remains that for hitting a man while he's being held down by a bunch of other people makes them sissies and nothing better than a typical street thug. I have lost ALL respect for them. Their performance was PATHETIC.
  11. Everyone that got suspended deserved to get suspended.
  12. This is not the last incident we will see between the Rays and Red Sox, and I would not be in the least bit surprised to see the Rays and another team get into a similar brawl because of the reputation they're building for themselves, especially Gomes and Crawford.

Now, onto the other incident:

People are saying that Youkilis called Manny out for not being in the brawl, and this is just not true for a few reasons.

  1. Camera's show that Manny was right where Crisp crawled out from under 4 Rays, trying to pull the pile apart
  2. If that's what Youk said to Manny, then he's a hypocrite, since in a big brawl you really shouldn't be focused on what someone else is doing and only focused on dealing with the person/people you're dealing with.
  3. There is NO way is a veteran ballplayer and Dominican that grew up in Washington Heights not going to be out there for a brawl.

The more likely thing was that after his at-bat, Youk brought his problems and aggrivation into the dugout, Manny probably told him to calm down, and Youk probably told him to buzz off, and then Manny overreacted. Both would be wrong in that case, but I hope it's in the past.

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Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: June 18, 2008 1:37 pm
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

I agree tigertowner68, the Rays are a good team and will be competitive for years to come, but they still have an immature aura about them. It's no coincidence that they are already at the center of more than one bench clearing brawl this season. Not saying that the opposing teams were right in any way, but they have been in the middle of their share of brawls that they helped spark.



Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: June 16, 2008 4:02 pm
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

Well done bigpapiandmanny!

I think you summarized the brawl very well.

The Rays are an up and coming team for sure, but they are green and immature.

Johnny Gomes is the best example. He is a punk. He breaks the code with regularity. The guy loves to stand and watch home runs and then act like he just hit "The shot heard 'round the world" after he finally gets his tail out of the batters box.

When he was a rookie he pulled that crap in a game against the Tigers. Later, he had to face Kyle Farnsworth when he was still with the Tigers and old Kyle promptly sent him to the deck.

He's lucky that Farnsworth (a.k.a the heavyweight champ of MLB but a guy that will never reach his once vast reservoir of potential) didn't put him out of action for months.



Since: Sep 2, 2006
Posted on: June 9, 2008 5:06 pm
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

  Ahmen!! Carl Crawford is a lil'#%$@*!!! Right coco shouldnt have charged. But Who wouldnt? I'd like to see crawford and crisp go toe to toe. It may not be pretty( for either of them). But at least it would be fair. I know, fair shmair. But crisp was smothered by about 8 guys. Then this punk slides in and cheap shots him. I know he will never see this but CRAWFORD YOU ARE A PUSSY, AND A DISCRACE, PUNK!!!!!!!!



Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: June 9, 2008 4:22 pm
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

By the way...

(a) It's never happened in MLB

Never is a very strong word, and in this case, wrong.

A little less than halfway down the page, you will read about a broken collarbone caused by the blocking of a base. It happen a while ago, yes, but it has happen before, and I'm sure it's happen since then, and I'm sure it will happen in the future. Just because it hasn't happen often doesn't mean it's not possible. Two back-to-back no-hitters have been thrown by the same person, that's a rarity, doesn't mean it's impossible, because it's happen! It's very rare to see, but the possibility that a collarbone can be broken if the hand passes a knee blocking a base and the momentum from the slide is stopped BY THE COLLARBONE is FACT.

Bartlett's knee was blocking the right side of the bag before he was even fielding the ball, and the ball went to the left side of the bag, yet he kept his knee down blocking the bag while he did not need to in order to field the ball. Shady and obstruction.




Since: Jan 16, 2008
Posted on: June 9, 2008 2:29 pm
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

I really hope they both put it behind them, but Youk does complain a lot when coming into the dugout and Manny is probably too lax for Youk's style.

Here's a story on the what I'm now calling "The Dugout Incident", click on the link within the link for the Boston.com side of it which I tend to agree with more and I'n not just saying that because Manny Ramirez is my favorite player.




Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: June 9, 2008 12:31 pm
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

It really bothered me to see it on TV and left me bewildered.Same here, especially considering the circumstances the team is in right now, with the injury to Ortiz, and the brawl earlier, the last thing the team needed was a clubhouse fight. I really hope they both put it behind them, but Youk does complain a lot when coming into the dugout and Manny is probably too lax for Youk's style.



Since: Jan 16, 2008
Posted on: June 9, 2008 12:12 pm
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

Now, onto the other incident:

People are saying that Youkilis called Manny out for not being in the brawl, and this is just not true for a few reasons.

  1. Camera's show that Manny was right where Crisp crawled out from under 4 Rays, trying to pull the pile apart
  2. If that's what Youk said to Manny, then he's a hypocrite, since in a big brawl you really shouldn't be focused on what someone else is doing and only focused on dealing with the person/people you're dealing with.
  3. There is NO way is a veteran ballplayer and Dominican that grew up in Washington Heights not going to be out there for a brawl.

The more likely thing was that after his at-bat, Youk brought his problems and aggrivation into the dugout, Manny probably told him to calm down, and Youk probably told him to buzz off, and then Manny overreacted. Both would be wrong in that case, but I hope it's in the past.

This is the best take I've heard yet on the dugout incident. It really bothered me to see it on TV and left me bewildered.

Youk probably told him to buzz off, and then Manny overreacted

..totally makes sense and actually sets my mind at ease over the whole situation.

Here's the video of the brawl on the field:

NufCed

 




Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: June 9, 2008 11:09 am
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

 Coco basically told the Rays manager before the game don't retaliate against my teammates, retaliate against me. So they did...and then he charges the mound.  IDIOT!!!

That's a very good point Curt2007, especially the part where you mention that PEDROIA WAS HIT FIRST!

Hey ring, you want to talk about shady and suspicious, look no further than your own paid employee, Senator Mitchell. A fraud of an investigation aimed at making only certain teams look bad.

Way to stay on track with the argument and everything, because the Mitchell report is extremely valid to the Red Sox-Rays brawl.



Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: June 9, 2008 11:07 am
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

Well at least you admit it.

Sarcasm isn't your friend. By the way, you profile still doesn't have your team in it. That must mean you're either a fairweather fan or a bandwagon in denial.

(a) It's never happened in MLB
(b) The guy in your game must have slid WAY TOO LATE!! That's the only possible way.

No, the slide came at the time it should, there just happen to be a KNEE DOWN blocking the bag, exactly what Bartlett did. Once again though, please, continue arguing this with me. I was only there watching it happen. You're only a clueless person who likes to argue somehting that they know absolutely nothing about, kind of like my fan choice.

He was making a play on the ball and the ball was at Bartlett's glove before Crisp was there. It wasn't obstruction

The Ball was on the left side of the bag as Crisp was sliding in on the right (from the home plate vantage point). Bartlett's knee was down blocking the bag before Crisp or the ball even got there, that's obstruction because he was not yet in the act of fielding and was already obstructing the runner's path to the ball. And, the intent of putting a knee down AT SECOND BASE is to injure the player in some way. It's a shady and illegal move in this case. Bartlett did not have to keep his knee there (going back to the MUST OCCUPY portion of the rule), he chose to for that very reason, to attempt to harm the runner.

You're argument is just a bunch of whining about a perfectly legal call.

Oh, the irony! Didn't you correct me early for this? YOU'RE argument! HA! Hypocrite! Your argument is nothing but a bunch of ignoring facts and poor attempts at insulting me.

You thought you were being cool by talking about my literacy

Well, I assumed that you were illiterate, since you said that I condoned Crisp charging the mound, when in the blog it's clearly underlined and set in stone that I said he was wrong for charging the mound.

But I did further my argument by offering video evidence. Evidence that you simply deny because you are being a "homer."

Yea, I was arguing this entire time without seeing the video. You are simply denying the evidence because it goes against your argument, the video only PROVED my point, so thanks for that link!

.....Now it's your turn to keep whining and making lame excuses.

Tool. Whining, yea, I'm whining. You must have selective literacy, since you're also ignoring the part where I said everyone that got suspended deserved it. But please, continue to support typical street punks with no balls who knee and punch people while they're being held down. That's the cool thing to do now, hate Boston and support the Rays, like you have been for all these years, right?

Now, I guess you decided to go cling on to Boston "groupy bandwagon fans" by posting your lame argument here.I love being called a bandwagoner. It means that you have no argument and you're resorting to insulting me, which in turn means I'm right! Thanks for playing!




Since: Mar 3, 2007
Posted on: June 9, 2008 1:42 am
 

My take on the Sox-Rays Brawl

 Hey ring, you want to talk about shady and suspicious, look no further than your own paid employee, Senator Mitchell. A fraud of an investigation aimed at making only certain teams look bad.


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